More Angel Stuff in the Bible

[Ang]

Okay guys, this is a post and subject you should all challenge me on because I’m Atheist, and may or may not have my Biblical facts correct! Where I’ve pulled information from scripture, I’ve so noted. But the “Book Of Mormon”, the “Koran”, and probably the Catholic Bible contain some variations of this same scripture.

On Archangels -

Yes, apparently all of these were male. These seem to have been at least 7, called out by name, more were alluded to.

Judaism and Christianity recognize seven archangels: Raphael, Gabriel, Michael, Uriel and three others whose names are uncertain - a source of debate by theologians for centuries. They are thought of to be three from the following list of possible candidates: Raziel, Remiel, Sariel, Metatron, Anael, Raguil, Barakiel, Barbiel, Chamael, Jophiel, Zadkiel, Jeduhiel, Simael, Zaphiel, and Aniel.

The Koran of Islam (Arabic: al-Qur'an) mentions four archangels, naming only Jibraiil (Gabriel, who is said to have revealed the Koran to Muhammad) and Mika'il (Michael) - the other two being Azrael (another form of Raphael, Angel of Death), and Israfel, Angel of Music who plays the flute at the end of the day and will sound the trumpet that wakes the dead on the Day of Judgment.

One post-Talmudic source increases the number to twelve, linking them with the signs of the zodiac, while Kabbalists name, with Metatron named first and then repeated as a tenth.

Some new age angelologists also believe there to be twelve archangels instead of the traditional seven: Anthriel, Aquariel, Chamuel, Gabriel, Jophiel, Michael, Omniel, Perpetiel, Raphael, Uriel, Valeoel, and Zadkiel.

The Book of Enoch (or Henoch) names seven archangels:

Uriel, who rules the world and Tartarus;

Raguel, who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries;

Michael, who is set over the most part of mankind and over chaos;

Saraquael, who is set over the spirits;

Gabriel, ruler of paradise, the serpents and the cherubim;

Ramiel, whom God set over those who rise; and

Raphael, who rules the spirits of men.

On the “Fallen Angels” -

Here’s where the possible female embodiment might have arisen. Although never referred to as being female - these "fallen angels" are often mentioned in "female form"... so, apparently, they do take a female appearance as one form of their trickery.

Lucifer or Satan commands this legion of angels, most often referred to as demons or fallen angels.

Satan's fall is described in Ezek.28:15-17 (cp. Isa.14:12).

Satan took with him one-third of all angels (Rev.12:4).

Scripture represents some of the angels as evil (Mt.25:41).

In Enoch 69:4-12., there is a list of the names of the fallen angels. This passage is odd because it mentions angels that are not mentioned elsewhere.

Yeqon - "one who misled all the children of the angels, brought them down upon the earth, and perverted them by the daughters of the people"

Asb'el - "one who gave the children of the holy angels an evil counsel and misled them so that they would defile their bodies by the daughters of the people"

Gader'el - "he who showed the children of the people all the blows of death, who misled Eve, who showed the children of the people (how to make) the instruments of death (such as) the shield, the breastplate, and the sword for warfare, and all (the other) instruments of death to the children of the people"

Pinem'e - "demonstrated to the children of the people the bitter and the sweet and revealed to them all the secrets of their wisdom. Furthermore he caused the people to penetrate (the secret of) writing and (the use of) ink and paper"

Kasadya - "he who revealed to the children of the people (the various) flagellations of all evil - (the flagellation) of the souls and the demons, the smashing of the embryo in the womb so that it may be curshed, the flagellation of the soul, snake bites, sunstrokes, the son of the serpent, whose name is Taba'ta"

Names of other fallen angels – 1 Enoch 69:2

Semyaz, Aristaqis, Armen, Kokba'el, Tur'el, Rumyal, Danyul, Neqa'el, Baraqel, Azaz'el, Armaros, Betryal, Basas'el, Hanan'el, Tur'el, Sipwese'el, Yeter'el, Tuma'el, Tur'el, Rum'el, and Azaz'el

Wonder why most angel collectibles and figurines are female?

[PK]

I just happen to have a book on angels. I would love to post the whole chapter on the fallen angels, so I may do it in multiple posts over the next week or so. I will type up as much as I can tonight.

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After God created the angels, He created humans and told the angels to bow down to humankind, revere and care for them. By some accounts, it was this that brought about the Battle of Heaven and fall of Satan, who out of pride or jealousy refused the task. By other accounts the demonic was already alive and well long before Adam and Eve awoke.

The story is not told in the Old Testament. Those books make no mention of fallen angels or of battles in heaven, but the New Testament, including the Revelation of John, then living on the island of Patmos (12:7-9) tells of the war in heaven in which Michael and his angel soldiers fought against the dragon, Satan, and his evil horde, and how the serpent, which deceives the whole world, was cast out into the earth, an army of angels raining from the skies.
Jesus mentions it too, in the book of Luke: "I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven", he said.

Five hundred years later it was transformed under Islam into a poignant love story. In the Persian account, God created the angels to praise and worship Him. Then God made humans, man and woman, and told the angels to serve his newest creations. But Satan, or Iblis, loved God best of all the angels, and he refused to bow to humans, but only to the God who created him.
God said, "Get out of my sight", and instantly the angel was cast into hell, for to be out of sight of one's Beloved--to be sent away--is hell. And how does he stand the pain of seperation from the Beloved? By the memory of the echo of Gods voice saying, "Go to hell."

By the second century A.D. the Catholic view prevailed that every man and woman and especially every child had a guardian angel at its side: and some people believed that we each have a good one and a bad one, balancing out our deeds. This is still taught to Catholic children; a good angel sits on your right shoulder and a bad one sits on your left shoulder and you get to choose between the two at each moment of your life.
However, the Catholic church has never officially declared how angels sinned to become demons, nor defined as dogma that every man has a guardian angel nor even that angels are divided into orders.


exerpt:
Thus we are to understand that the Evil and Good Angels dwell near one another, and yet there is the greatest immence Distance between them. For the Heaven is in Hell and the Hell is in Heaven, and yet one is not manifest to the other; and although the Devil should go many Millions of Miles, desiring to enter into Heaven, and to see it, yet he would still be in Hell and not see it.
------Jakob Bohme, Mysterium Magnum


I will do part 2 of this chapter later...but this is also in the book...

The Fallen Angels, in John Miltons Paradise Lost, formed a multitude, one-third of the heavenly host, and came from all the angelic ranks: principalities, virtues, cherubim, seraphim, thrones. Only a few are named:

SATAN himself, the Foul Fiend
BEELZEBUB--who is next in rank to Satan. In other contexts he is Lord of the Flies or Dung, holds dummar our idolator.
MOLOCH--a horrid King besmeared with blood of human sacrifice.
CHEMOSH--dread of Moab's sons, also called Peor.
BAALIM--a male spirit
ASHTAROTH--a female spirit
ASTORETH of the cresent horns (known also as Astarte, Queen of Heaven)
AZAZEL, "a cherube tall"
MAMMON
THAMMUZ
DAGON
RIMMON
BELIAL--the most Lewd, who appears at first both graceful and humane and whose tongue drops Manna.

They lie in Hell together with the pagan gods Osiris, Isis, Orus, the Golden Calf, and the Greek gods.

Six others fought beside Satan, but are not listed as being in Hell. Were angels killed in that terrible clash? They are:

ADRAMELEC AND ASMADAI--two Thrones
ARIEL
ARIOC
RAMIEL
NISROC--who was a principality


The Good angels who did not side with Satan are;

URIEL
GABRIEL
MICHAEL
RAPHAEL
UZZIEL
ITHURIEL
ZEPHON
ABDIEL (who at first was tempted and then refused to join Satan's horde.)


That's all from the angel book for this post.

I do know that the book of Job in the OT mentions God was sitting with 'the sons of God' (note plural) and that Satan was there also, and told God that he had been roaming to and fro in the earth...and got the whole Job deal started by telling God to test him....okay, that's my version..but it is there in several chapters.

There is something in this book about the male and female--I will look this up and post it later too.

The book is full of stuff--whether or not any of it is based on fact is debatable...lol

[Ang]

I still wonder where 90% of our Angelic figures, and little porcelain dolls and things came from. Just always seemed odd to me that they're all female.

~Ang